Buzzing Past 12th Fret

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The seasons can be tough on your guitar. Changes in humidity and temperature can commonly cause fret buzz. Fret buzz is a buzzing noise that occurs when the string vibrates against one or more of the frets. Sometimes you can experience fret buzz in the open position, and other times it could be specific strings and/or frets.

It’s usually easy to isolate which strings and frets are buzzing. Generally speaking, if the buzz seems to be only at the 1st fret, that usually means the nut is too low, or the grooves in the nut have worn down too low. If the buzz is concentrated in the middle frets, 3rd to 9th, The truss rod may require adjustment. If the buzz is coming from the fingerboard extension, it’s likely humidity related.

Get a 12' steel rule & place the edge of it on top of the frets so that it rests on the first & last frets,then look carefully at the frets around the middle of the neck (12th fret). There should be a tiny gap = 'neck bow' or 'relief'. If you can,measure it & note it down & again,post it on here with your other measurements. As a general rule of thumb, if your buzz seems to be occurring only around the first fret, this typically means that your nut is too low or that the grooves in your nut have been worn down too much. If your buzzing is coming from the middle frets (3 rd fret to 9 th fret), you will probably need to take a look at your truss rod. A rising tongue causes the fretboard to ramp upward after the 12th fret. Proper refretting and fretdressing will take this rise into account, sanding the fretboard and fret planes at a small pitch to counter it. Is Your Guitar Buzzing Still?

We put some tips together with our Warranty/Repair department to help you troubleshoot.

1) String Height: The first step to troubleshooting the fret buzz is to measure your string height where the neck joins the body. To give the strings enough clearance to vibrate without causing fret buzz, we set guitars up at 3/32” on the bass side and 2/32” on the treble side. This measurement is taken at the 14th fret for most guitars and 12th fret for parlor body guitars. Measure the gap from the top of the fret to the bottom of the string.

If your string height is below those settings, you’ll need to raise the action back to the factory specs. You do this by adjusting the truss rod and then raising the saddle according.

Learn how to adjust your truss rod here. We recommend a proper relief of .005-.007”: https://youtu.be/xyqrSRI2asc?list=UUM-CsUeK57J8grv9BSBRRhQ

Once the truss rod is adjusted, check the string height measurements again. If you are still below the factory setting of 3/32” on the bass side and 2/32” on the treble side, you should start with a tall saddle and sand it down to the factory specs for string height of 3/32” on the bass side and 2/32” on the treble side.

2) Get a Setup: It’s recommended to have somebody with experience do the setup for you. Whoever does the setup should have general guitar repair knowledge. Important things to consider are:

· Only turning the truss rod a ¼ turn at a time and allowing the guitar acclimate.

· Sanding the saddle without taking it too far down

· Adjusting the nut when necessary.

3) Humidity:Humidity can play a significant role in both causing and avoiding fret buzz. Ideally, the guitar should be stored between 40% and 50% humidity at all times.

When a handmade instrument experiences humidity below the recommended level, the wood will dry out and cause the top to drop down or sink in. When the top drops down, the bridge and strings drop with it and lowers the strings to where they may cause fret buzz.

If over-humidified, the top will rise and appear bloated. The fingerboard extension (frets 14-20) are glued to the top, and when the top rises, the fingerboard extension rises with it. This results in the neck looking like a “ski jump” and the frets on the fingerboard extension being closer to the strings than the rest of the neck. This can cause fret buzz in the upper register.

Some tips to consider:

To be sure your acoustic guitar is properly humidified, carefully lay a long straight edge across the top of the guitar. Your guitar was originally built with the top arched up just slightly. When properly humidified, the straight edge should make contact with the top, except for a slight gap at the outer edge of the top (measuring approx. 1/32’ at either end). If you see a gap at the outer edge of the top greater than 1/32”, your guitar is bloated and over humidified. Some desiccant packs stored in the guitar body or with the guitar in the case can help dry it out. You should also lower the overall humidity levels with a room de-humidifier. Continue dehumidifying until the gap you previously measured is down to 1/32” at the outer ends.

If you lay the straight edge across the top and the straight edge is not in contact with the top, that is an indication that the top has dropped down and dried out. In this case, you will want to raise the overall humidity levels until you lay a straight edge on the top and achieve the desired measurement of 1/32” gap at either end of the straight edge.

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Sometimes a piece of music takes us into the stratosphere—up into the area of the fretboard above the 12th fret. It doesn’t happen frequently. But when it does, it is very important that your hand be stable and that the fingers are able to move freely and precisely amongst those very narrow frets. Here is how to do it.

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Conquering Guitar Acrophobia:
Playing in High Positions Past the 12th Fret

By Douglas Niedt

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Sometimes a piece of music takes us into the stratosphere—up into the area of the fretboard above the 12th fret. It doesn’t happen frequently. But when it does, it is very important that your hand be stable and that the fingers are able to move freely and precisely amongst those very narrow frets. It is also a region where the action of the guitar (height of the strings above the fretboard) can be rather high. Although there aren’t very many passages that go into that high region, those that do are usually very exposed. Just the fact that the notes being played are very high in pitch means that they are extremely noticeable within the musical context. Here is a good example:


Listen to the passage played by Christopher Parkening. (A separate window will open that you can minimize in order to still see the written musical example as you listen.)

THERE ARE THREE MAJOR POINTS TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN PLAYING NOTES IN THE UPPER REGION OF THE FRETBOARD ABOVE THE 12TH FRET.

  1. There are two basic finger positions you can use:
    A. Parallel-with-the-frets position
    B. Slanted position (I often call it the violinist’s finger position)

  2. It is usually a good idea to allow the tip joint of the left-hand first finger to “collapse” or “give.” The anatomical jargon is: mildly hyperextend the tip joint.

  3. The lower side of the guitar’s upper bout is “your friend.” It is not an obstacle. Use it to give the left hand stability past the 12th fret.

12th Fret Music

FINGER POSITION

String buzzing at 12th fret

We use both the parallel-with-the-frets finger position and slanted finger position below the 12th fret all the time. But in a way, the decision of which position to use is even more critical past the 12th fret. The frets are much closer together and the height of the strings above the fretboard is much higher as we pass the 12th fret. The instrument is very unforgiving in this high region. Fingers must be placed precisely against the frets with firm pressure. Anything less results in buzzes or no sound at all and sometimes, total breakdown. And again, this is usually happening in a very exposed spot often at a climatic moment of a phrase, section, or even the entire piece.

Watch as I demonstrate the two basic positions in video clip #1:



It is impossible to generalize which position is best for various situations. There are just too many variables not just in the music, but also with the hand and body anatomy of different players. In some instances the choice is very clear--only one position will work at all, so there will be no question.

Some passages could be done either way but one position may give a slight edge. Here is an example of that in the seventh variation of Benjamin Britten’s Nocturnal: Visual studio community for mac how to install nunit test adapter.


Watch as I demonstrate both finger positions in video clip #2:



In other passages a mix of both positions is required. Let’s look again at the passage from Christopher Parkening’s transcription of Erik Satie’s Gymnopedie No. 1:


Watch as I demonstrate the use of both positions in video clip #3:



But in many instances the best thing is to work the passage with both finger positions and see which works best.

COLLAPSING THE TIP JOINT OF THE FIRST FINGER

When playing in the upper positions, there are two problems that cause instability that are easily solved. First, the strings are less taut in the middle third of their length (which is where much of the upper region of the fretboard falls) than towards the nut or towards the bridge. Second, because the hand must arch up over the body of the guitar as it plays beyond the 12th fret, it is in a position with a rather high center of gravity. That, combined with the loose feel of the strings, presents a real danger of the fingers accidentally pulling the strings sideways, of held strings slipping out from under the fingertips, or of the fingers pulling the first string off the edge of the fretboard.

It is common practice to collapse a left-hand finger tip joint to hold a two or three-string bar. In the context of playing above the 12th fret, I am speaking of a slightly milder type of hyperextension of the tip joint of the first and sometimes the second finger to add stability when playing notes above the 12th fret, especially on the first string. By allowing the tip of the first finger to collapse, the string is pushed away from the edge of the fretboard. This also keeps the string from moving laterally during the execution of ornaments in high positions.

Here is a rather “dangerous” spot in Joaquin Rodrigo’s Concierto de Aranjuez with an ornament on the first string in the upper region of the fretboard:


Now watch as I demonstrate the hyperextension of the first finger and demonstrate its use in the above passage from Joaquin Rodrigo’s Concierto de Aranjuez in video clip #4:



THE UPPER BOUT IS YOUR FRIEND

One problem guitarists have in playing in the region past the 12th fret is figuring out where and how to position the left hand. It’s actually pretty simple most of the time.

First, let’s take a quick glance at guitar anatomy so we are all on the same page terminology-wise. Here is a diagram reproduced with the kind permission of the Music Educators National Conference. On the right side of the diagram just below “Heel” and just above 'Strings' it says 'Upper Bout.' That is the key part to which I am referring and is actually the lower side (closest to the floor) of the upper bout.


Don’t look at the lower side of the upper bout as an obstacle. Don’t think of it as being in the way. Instead, use the lower side of the upper bout to give your hand stability. You actually want to rest the heel of your hand on the lower side of the upper bout when playing in the upper positions past the 12th fret. (And whatever you do, don’t purchase a nylon string guitar with a cutaway unless it’s amplified and is to be used in pop groups or in clubs—they sound pretty awful without amplification).

Here is a passage from Alexandre Tansman's Mazurka in the upper region of the fretboard:


Buzzing Past 12th Fret

Now watch as I demonstrate how the upper bout is your very best friend in video clip #5:



Sometimes the difficulty of playing past the 12th fret is not so much playing in the upper regions of the fretboard but in getting there from the lower positions. Guitarists have problems adjusting their hand and wrist position as they approach the 12th fret and lower side of the upper bout.

The trick is how to change the position of the hand from its close-in-to-the-neck placement for normal playing below the 12th fret to the new position it must assume for playing past the 12th fret. The hand must gradually move away from the neck as it ascends towards and past the 12th fret. As the hand moves away from the neck and ascends on its shift, it should glide smoothly onto the lower side of the upper bout for support. The process is reversed as you shift back down below the 12th fret for normal playing.

It’s easier to show to you than describe. And here is a great little exercise to use to learn how to make the transition from positions below the 12th fret to positions above the 12th fret and the reverse. Watch video clip #6:

Buzzing At 12th Fret



OTHER CONSIDERATIONS

One Fret Buzzing

Left-Hand Thumb Position

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The position of the left-hand thumb when playing in the upper regions past the 12th fret will be very different from how it is positioned when playing below the 12th fret. There are two primary positions of the thumb in the upper regions of the fretboard. The choice of which position to use is for the most part dependent on whether the fingers will be in the parallel-with-the-frets position or in the slanted position. Aside from that broad generalization, exactly how the thumb is positioned depends greatly upon the passage being played, the size of the player’s hand, and length of the fingers.

BE CERTAIN THE THUMB IS IN CONTACT WITH SOME PART OF THE GUITAR AT ALL TIMES! Never play with the thumb dangling in midair.

Watch as I demonstrate the variation of the left-hand thumb position in video clip #7:



'Body English'

Upper body and left-shoulder position will also vary from player to player when executing passages past the 12th fret. Whether the upper torso leans forward, to the left, or whether the left shoulder dips down or stays even with the right shoulder will depend on the player’s anatomy, small differences in the shape of the guitar’s body, and even the size of the guitar in relation to the size of the player’s body. For stability’s sake, the ideal would be to not vary the sitting position at all. But it would be a big mistake to adhere to a strict “the body must not move” rule if it just doesn’t work for a particular player or for a particular musical passage.

So my friends, guitar acrophobia is easily conquered:

  1. Choose the appropriate finger/hand position
  2. Use tip-joint hyperextension
  3. Make the upper bout your very best friend
  4. Smoothly adjust the left-hand position as it approaches or leaves the upper bout
  5. Be sure the thumb is in the best place for the finger/hand position you are using
  6. Experiment with “body English”

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